მაშ მტუანისთქო მინდა მივწერო მაგ გამოცემას და მაგათ მეილს ვერ მომცემ
საიდან გამოიტანეს ესეთი დასკვნა რომ იქაური სომხების მოთხოვნები იმ ფორმით რა ფორმითაც ისინი აყენებენ
სამართლიანია? მართალია ბევრი რამე არის სამართლიანი , მაგრამ არის გარკვეული პუნქტები, რომლებიც არაა სამართლიანი და არის გარკვეული პუნქტები, რომელიც უკვე შესრულდა არ მინდა ახლა ამ დეტალების განხილვა, ამ პოსტის დაწერის მიზანი მხოლოდ ის არის რომ ამერიკა როგორც ჯავახელი სომხების ყველა ახირების მხარდაჭერის მითი გადავხაზო
ესეც ვილიქსის ორივე დოკუმენტის ორიგინალი (ჯერ კიდევ არ წამიშლია ვიკილიქსის ეს 55 გბ-იანი ფოლდერი)
2009\06\09TBILISI1100SUBJECT: GEORGIA: ARMENIAN BISHOP DISCUSSES CHALLENGES FOR
ETHNIC ARMENIANS
REF: A. YEREVAN 0314
¶B. TBILISI 0770
¶C. TBILISI 0538
Classified By: AMBASSADOR JOHN F. TEFFT. REASONS: 1.4 (B) AND (D).
© Summary: The Ambassador met with Bishop Vazgen
Mirzakhanian, Primate of the Armenian Apostolic Holy Church
Diocese in Georgia (AAC) May 20, as a follow-up to his
meeting on regional issues with Shavarsh Kocharian, Deputy
Foreign Minster of Armenia, and His Holiness Karekin II, the
head of the Catholicos of All Armenians, in Yerevan with
Ambassador Yovanovich (Ref A). Bishop Mirzakhanian cited the
Millennium Challenge Corporation road improvements, and the
GoG increase in budgetary support to the Samtskhe-Javakheti
region as major positive step for his community. The Bishop
highlighted three major unresolved issues of importance to
ethnic Armenian Georgians: the ability to use Armenian as an
official language at local levels, educational opportunities
for ethnic Armenians, and the return of disputed church
properties. We will raise these issue with Minister for
Reintegration Temur Yakobashvili, who is the government point
person on these issues. End Summary.
Language Barriers
¶2. © The number one concern of ethnic Armenians in
Samtskhe-Javkheti remains recognition of Armenian as a
regional language (Ref B). Mirzakhanian said that if even
"unofficial" recognition of the Armenian language would be
helpful. He noted that in practice all local business is
conducted in Armenian, however, local residents who can not
speak Georgian are at an extreme disadvantage and are unable
to use government structures, such as courts to carry out
legal proceedings. Mirzakhanian said that even if Armenian
was not granted the status of an official language, then
simultaneous translation in Armenian should be provided as a
basic accommodation during court and other official
administrative proceedings.
Education Challenges
¶3. © Mirzakhanian said that education in the region
remained at a basic level which did not yield economic growth
or support the integration of ethnic Armenian citizens in
wider Georgian culture. He proposed a joint
Armenian-Georgian University in Akhalkalaki which would raise
Georgian language skills in the region and provide advanced
education to help ethnic Armenians be more competitive for
mid and upper level jobs in the Georgian economy. Currently,
200 students every year leave the region for education in
Armenia, and do not return. The Georgian Ministry of
Education has expressed a willingness to dedicate resources
to a bilingual educational program (as does the Government of
Armenia), but after three years there has not been tangible
progress on this issue. As a result, ethnic Armenians are
sending their children abroad to Armenian or Russian language
institutes of higher education. The lack of local higher
education institutions limits the intellectual community in
the region largely to teachers of elementary schools.
Return of Armenian Churches
¶4. © Mirzakhanian said that unless the law is changed to
permit formal recognition of religious faiths (ref C) other
than the Georgian Orthodox Church, he expected that there
would be little progress on the return of historical churches
to their original pre-Soviet congregations. Although
Mirzakhanian had expected the law to have been amended in
March allowing the AAC, Roman Catholics, Jews, and Muslims to
register as official religions, the law has not yet been
amended. Despite earlier indications to the AAC that Temur
Yakobashvili, Minister of Reintegration, was working an
QYakobashvili, Minister of Reintegration, was working an
amendment to the civil law, Mirzakhanian said that he has
checked with Parliamentary officials who have confirmed that
they had no new drafts law pending on the issue, nor were
aware of any proposed changes to the current law. The
Ambassador undertook to raise this issue with Yakobashvili
during their next meeting. By Mirzakhanian,s count, seven
churches in Tbilisi are Armenian in origin, as well as 300
others throughout Georgia. The Ambassador mentioned that the
GOC has said that it had a claim to a number of GOC origin
churches located in Armenia. Mirzakhanian said that GOC
officials have never officially lodged a complaint nor
supplied a list of any disputed GOC churches in Armenia with
the AAC. He said provisions of Armenian law existed which
address competing claims on churches. Mirzakhanian said
conversely, the AAC has provided the GOC with such
information and made formal requests through appropriate
channels.
Current Satus of Legislation
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¶5. © Comment: In many areas, notably in infrastructure
development, the GOG has shown a willingness to engage a
previously largely-ignored Armenian minority. Nonetheless,
the refusal to legally recognize faiths other than the GOC
has long been a contentious issue. The Ministry for
Reintegration prepared to present a new proposal to the
cabinet in early April to resolve the issues of recognition
of other religions formally as Entities of Public Law.
However the deputy State Minister for Reintegration was
advised not to present the proposal to the cabinet without
consultation with the Patriarchy. Upon consultation, the
Patriarchy advised that with protests taking place, times
were too tense and the proposal should wait. We will continue
to encourage all sides to work towards an equitable and
mutually acceptable solution.
TEFFT
2009\09\09TBILISI178:SUBJECT: GEORGIA: A TALE OF TWO ETHNIC MINORITY CITIES
REF: TBILISI 0770
Classified By: Charge d'Affaires a. i. Kent D. Logsdon for reasons 1.4
(b) and (d).
¶1. © Summary: City government officials and NGOs in the
Samtskhe-Javakheti (S-J) cities of Akhaltsikhe and
Akhalkalaki were upbeat about their future in Georgia, but
worried about protecting their cultural and linguistic
heritage. The majority of the estimated 300,000 ethnic
Armenians in Georgia live in these two cities located in
south central Georgia. The general consensus among various
interlocutors and local staff, both this time and during our
last visit to the region in March (reftel), was one of
amazement at the speed with which infrastructure projects are
moving forward. Road development is making travel easier and
improving connections between the region and the rest of
Georgia. Georgian language classes are more readily
available and therefore better attended. Despite this,
language remains the most significant obstacle in efforts to
integrate the Armenian-speaking community of S-J. The ethnic
Armenian community continues to call for the adoption of
Armenian as a regional language, the resolution of church
ownership issues, and more local autonomy. End Summary.
¶2. © Comment: Many of the main issues the region faces,
including uemployment, are problems throughout Georgia and
not exclusive to S-J. For example, many in the region called
for more local autonomy, which mirrors similar calls from
other regions in Georgia which seek more control over
budgeting and administrative resources. Despite these
concerns, the general atmosphere in S-J observed during this
August 31 - September 3 trip was positive, and the standard
of living appears to be improving visibly. End Comment.
MORE CONNECTED
¶3. © While the mountain scenery in S-J is spectacular, all
eyes were on the smooth black asphalt covering the road that
replaced the once infamously pothole-laden road from
Akhaltsikhe to Akhalkalaki. The dilapidated roads were a
main factor in the isolation of the region from the rest of
Georgia. The Millennium Challenge Corporation's (MCC) road
project in the area has transformed what was a six-hour drive
from Akhalkalaki to Tbilisi to three and a half hours.
Construction crews dotted the road, and a micro-economy
including food stands and clothes washers has developed.
Akhalkalaki city council chairman Nairi Iritsian was
especially excited about the MCC project to extend the
highway to the Turkish border, which he expects will vastly
improve trade and economic investment. Iritsian opined that
Akhalkalaki could be at the center of a trade corridor
between Turkey and Armenia. Akhaltsikhe city council
chairman Davit Atunashvili added that the government is
connecting natural gas to buildings throughout the city,
which should improve quality of life and encourage investment.
¶4. © Akhalkalaki Ombudsman representative Seda Melkumenian
said that before the road improvements, the Armenian
community felt isolated and ignored by the government, and as
such there was no incentive to learn Georgian. During this
trip, however, many remarked on the increased attendance at
Georgian language classes. Program Coordinator for the
Georgian Foundation for Strategic and International Studies
in Akhalkalaki Dali Aghdgomeladze said that, in the past,
people would not attend classes because there was a stigma
associated with learning Georgian. As one of the few ethnic
Georgians in the city, Aghdgomeladze was often asked to give
language classes in secret. Now many residents are openly
taking advantage of the free language programs offered by
Qtaking advantage of the free language programs offered by
international organizations and NGOs. At the office of the
Akhalkalaki NGO Caucasus Institute, much like a grade school
classroom, Georgian language learning tools were proudly
displayed on the conference room walls where language classes
take place. Aghdgomeladze and her organization began a
bilingual preschool program (Armenian-Georgian), which the
local municipal office has expanded and funded. Iritsian
noted that many graduates from a special minority outreach
program at the Zurab Zhvania Institute in the University in
Kutaisi -- who were given Georgian language and public
administration training -- have gained employment. Veronica
Ambari from the Armenian Association in Akhaltsikhe noted
that the quality of the language programs has also improved.
¶5. © Iritsian pointed out that the biggest school in
Akhalkalaki (in terms of number of students) remained the
Russian language schools, followed by the Armenian language
schools, and then lagging far behind were the Georgian
language schools. He also noted that only ethnic Georgians
attend the Georgian schools, as ethnic Armenians fear being
called a "traitor" by the greater Armenian community. In
Akhalkalaki, the city remains too small to support the job
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demands of the population. Many young people are unable to
seek better prospects in Tbilisi because they lack the
necessary Georgian language skills; as a result, the region
is losing much of its young talent to Armenia and Russia.
The founder of Meskhi Democrats of Akhaltsikhe said there
were only three applications from the region for the national
university entrance exam because of the lack of language
skills.
HOW THE GOVERNMENT CAN BUILD TRUST
¶6. © Our interlocutors in S-J all emphasized three issues
on which they hoped the government would take action. The
first, and by far the one most emphasized, was the acceptance
of Armenian as a regional language. De jure, only Georgian
can be used by the local government and in schools; de facto
Armenian and Russian are used. On September 3 Armenian
president Sarkisian stated that Georgia should recognize
Armenian as a regional language based on the principal of
"integration without assimilation." The second issue was
resolution of ownership questions concerning those churches
claimed by both the Armenian Orthodox Church and the Georgian
Orthodox Church. Aghdgomeladze said that the issue is "like
a volcano, you never know when it will erupt." The third
issue was a call for more local autonomy. People complained
of having to wait for officials to come from Tbilisi or
having to travel to Tbilisi themselves, at great expense, in
order to get simple administrative matters completed, such as
obtaining passports or registering their property. Iritsian
also complained that the Governor of the region still has not
filled the one deputy governor seat, out of three,
traditionally reserved for an ethnic Armenian.
LOGSDON
ვინმემ მანახოს ამ ორ დუკუმენტში სად გამოხატა ამერიკის სამთავრობო წარმომადგენელმა ამ მოთხოვნების მხარდაჭერა ბევრს როგორც ჩანს ძაან უნდა წარმოგვიდგინოს ამერიკის მთავრობა ანტიქართულ პოლიტიკურ ძალად, მაგრამ არ გამოგივიათ ეგ სიაფანდობა, რადგან ღვთის წყალობით ეგრე არ არის
ნუ ვჭრით იმ ხეს რომელზეც ვზივართ....
This post has been edited by death85 on 10 Nov 2011, 19:27 
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