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So what are the secrets Carlo Ancelotti's success with Chelsea at Stamford Bridge?
'I was a student of Arrigo Sacchi and he was very regimented in the way he organised his teams,' he says. 'At Milan it was always 4-4-2. Milan were a defensive team. Not an attacking team. We had great players but we used pressing to create attacking opportunities. Everything was very precise. When we defended and when we attacked. Even with players like Van Basten and Gullit, Sacchi expected them to fit to the system the way the rest of us did. He was obsessed with being very specific. Very organised.
'So when I started as a manager I was the same. 4-4-2. Even when it came to the team I had at Parma. I had a fantastic team. Buffon was the goalkeeper. Thuram and Cannavaro in defence. Crespo and Chiesa, Dino Baggio. We arrived in second place in 1997 behind Juventus.
'For six months I played Zola as a winger, because he had to fit into 4-4-2, and in the end he left, to go to Chelsea. And I lost a great player.'
In the same spell at Parma he also rejected the opportunity to sign Roberto Baggio. For much the same reason.
'Baggio wanted to leave Milan because he wasn't playing and he came to speak to me,' recalls Ancelotti.
'So I asked him where he wanted to play, and he said behind the two strikers. I told him we didn't play that shape, and told him he would have to compete with Crespo and Chiesa for one of the two striker places. I didn't want someone in the hole. So he said no, and joined Bologna.
'If the same thing happened now, 14 years later, I would buy him. "Come!" I would say, "and we will work it out". I lost a great ability to improve the team with the ability of Baggio. But that was a lack of experience. I had been a coach just two years. And, as I said, my teacher had been Sacchi. I didn't have the knowledge to know I could change things. And maybe I was a little bit scared to change because it was the start of my career.'
He changed when he moved to Juventus and encountered a certain Zinedine Zidane.
'I realised you can't play Zidane as a central midfielder or a winger,' he says. 'So I played with three defenders, four midfielders, Zidane and two strikers.
'In Milan, also different. It is important to have good organisation, play quickly, have the right movement. But I knew by then that you have to build the shape of the team to the characteristics of the players.
'It is very important to use good organisation but also use the instinct and ability of the players when you attack. It's different when you defend. When you don't have the ball players have to take up the right position.
'But with attacking it is different. Here at Chelsea I have to use the ability of someone like Nicolas Anelka. You don't lock him inside a system. To show his qualities he needs to move. 'It is the same with Didier Drogba and Florent Malouda. But when we lose the ball I ask all of them to work for the team.
'At Milan I had attacking players. Pirlo, Seedorf, Rivaldo, Kaka, Rui Costa. I tried to put them in a good organisation. Seedorf wanted to play behind the striker but I made him a left-sided midfielder, in the same role Frank Lampard plays for us here.
'Gattuso wanted to play holding midfielder, but I played him on the right like Michael Essien. A lot of players didn't play in their preferred position but to be a top team you have to fit into the right structure. Kaka still had to work. Not strong work. But he has to take up the right position and be in the right position for when we win back the ball.' Only Ronaldo, at his fattest, escaped such duties. 'But even at 100 kilos you could just give him the ball and he would score,' he says.
Ancelotti delights in talking about players. He talks about Zidane and how 'he would spread butter on the ball' in the way he controlled it.
'Spalmare,' he says, pretending to pass a knife across a slice of bread. But he loves his strikers. 'All strikers have different capabilities,' he says. 'But Inzaghi is the best striker in the box I have ever seen. As a predator. He has a smell. More than 70 per cent of his goals were with one touch. Which means he is arriving in the right position.
'Crespo was fantastic without the ball. His movement. While Drogba is more like Shevchenko and Del Piero. I have been lucky with the strikers I have had. All very good.'
This interview took place before Ancelotti made what appeared to be slightly mischievous remarks about one day managing England. But he is a huge admirer of English players, dismissing the idea that failure at international level is down to a lack of technical ability compared with players from other countries.
'That's not true,' he says. 'Absolutely not. Technically they are fantastic. Tactically too. And their character. Their professionalism.
'Gattuso was a great professional for me, but it is rare to find players like him in Italy.
'Here, I don't know if I am lucky but Ashley Cole, Lampard, John Terry, as professionals on the training pitch, in matches, they are fantastic. When they are on the pitch. 100 per cent. Always. And sometimes that can be a risk. Sometimes you need to take a rest. Back off. But they never do. They are very professional.
'Brazilian players, for example, are totally different. They like to joke around in training. It can be difficult to maintain their focus. For me there is a time to be serious and a time to joke.

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